FMFormation.net - Football Manager - FM2008
Left Nav Donate Register FAQ Members List Calendar vBookie Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Right Nav

Left Container Right Container
 

Go Back   FMFormation.net - Football Manager - FM2008 » Football Manager 2008 (and older) » Guides & Articles » FM08 Guides » General Guides

Notices

» Log in
User Name:

Password:

Not a member yet?
Register Now!
» Navigation Menu

The Community

FM2008

Other FM Series

Special Features

Contact zone

» FMF's DB Update
Last public release:
7 February 2008
v1.0
Last beta version:
(6 February 2008)
v8.0.3b

Become a Donator!
» Word from our Sponsor


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-04-08, 01:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
What Bozza can do with an orange, I can do with a grape!
 
Fedorico Roma Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: palermo,Italy
Posts: 2,563
Thanks: 24
Thanked 463 Times in 198 Posts
Fedorico Roma Fan is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to Fedorico Roma Fan
Default Master the Team Talks!

This is a guide for perfecting your team talks, in particular, 1/2 time team talks in footaball manager 08. The key idea of this guide is that successful team talks need to differentiate players who overperform/underperform and say special things to those individuals, instead of using general team talks only.

I have been following this guide in my brain whenever I play and I have won 370 games, drew 91, lost 50 till 2016 in my 8.0.1 game. The achievements include 2010 Wolrd Cup winner with Ivory Coast, 2012 African Nations winner with Ivory Coast, 3 times Italian Series A winner with Roma (2012/13-2014/15) and 2014 Euro Champions League winner with Roma since I joined Roma in 2012.

I have only ever had just two tactics and I always leave everything at normal except for individual mentalities (Rule of One) and defense line, and except when I need to counter 4-2-4. So team talks have played a big part in my career in fm08 so far Smile

Hopefully the above raises your interest to read on, now let's get on with the team talks. There are seven main factors that affect the choice of team talks in fm08:

1- Player performance i.e. match ratings;
2- Player morale/squad morale;
3- Player personality/squad personality;
4- Home/away;
5- Linked with factor 2: Prematch odds;
6- Whether the opponent is your rival;
7- Whether the target player is a substitute brought on.

Now don't be scared by the long list, some factors will not need to be considered for some team talks, as I shall explain below:

Pre-Match:

Pre-match team talks are relatively straight forward and has less effect than 1/2 time team talks. Pre-match team talks generally only need to take into account factors 2, 4, 5 and 6. There is generally no need for individual team talks here, except a 'no pressure' may be used on young players making his debut. The new "pick up where you left from" rarely has any effect from my experience.

My suggestions for general pre-match team talks are as follows:

1- Home and you are heavily favoured by prematch odds, and when morale is above average: "I expect a win."

Likely outcome: one or two players 'Gained focus'; or no effect according to feedback screen, but your team performs well in the 1/2 half anyway.

2 -Home and odds are close or you are slightly favoured: "You can win this game!"

Likely outcome: a few players "looked delighted", somtimes "seemed motivated. looked delighted".

3- Home and your opponent is heavily favoured: "Wish Luck!"

Likely outcome: a few players "looked delighted", somtimes "seemed motivated".

4- Home and your opponent is your rival: "For the fans!"

Likely outcome: no effect based on feedback, but this always guarantess me an excellent 1/2 performance by my team.

4- Away and you are heavily favoured: "You can win this game!"

5- Away and odds are close: Either "You can win this game!" or "Wish luck."

6- Away and your opponent is favoured: "Wish luck."

7- Away and your opponent is heavily favoured: "Pressure is off!"

Likely outcome: a few players are "more relaxed".

If your are playing the World Cup or other continental cups, then the Home/away factor is taken away, simply base your pre-match team talks on odds and morale.

Half-time team talks:

This is the main part of this guide Smile I have turned hundreds of matches around using 1/2 time team talks, not counting the differences team talks have made between a draw and a win. Half-time team talks mainly need to take into account almost all factors: 1,2,3,4,5 and 7.

1- Home and you are winning by 1 goal margin:

General team talk: "Encourage". Likely result: a few players 'looked delighted', sometimes 'seemed motivated'.

Individual team talk:

"Disapointing" on players with rating 6, careful that this does not work on new signings or young players making his debut.
Likely result: "Fired-up" or "Inspired" or "Seemed motivated" or any of the above couple with "Angered". Sometimes no effect. Likely "Lost confidence" if used on new signings or young players.

"You have faith" on players with ratings 8+ and substitutes at 1/2 time, especially effective on strikers/AMs.
Likely results: "Inspired to a great performance", "Inspired to a better performance", "Morale boost", "Seemed motivated", "Happy" or "Looked delighted". Rarely no effect. Which result depends on player personality.
Works sometimes on strikers with rating 7 too and occassionally on youngsters with rating 6.

Correct use of 'disappointing' and 'you have faith' will 99% guarantee you a win by 90mins.

What if the player has a rating 5? Substitute him off, say 'disappointg' or 'angry' to him, and say 'you have faith' to the player coming on.

2- Home and you are winning by more than 1 goal margin:

General team talk: "Pleased" or "Thrilled" depending on the winning margin.
Likely result: No effect or 'does not seem to be listening' but it does help to avoid negative reactions by saying something else. Only for new signings or in the 1st couple of games you are in charge, you will get 'happy' 'seemed motivated' effects by these team talks.

Individual team talks same as in point 1.

3- Home and you are drawing:

General team talk: "You can win this!" if most player ratings are 7+. Likely result: Some players "Looked delighted" "Happy" "Seemed motivated". Some players no effect.

"Disappointing" if average rating is 6 and morale is good + , likely result: a few players "inspired", "fired-up","seemed motivated". Sometimes "lost confidence" "seemed confused" if the player has rating 7+ or if the player morale is low, thus you need to do individual team talks for those players: "you have faith" or "pleased".

In this scenario you have no access to "you have faith". However, there is an even better option here: "You can make the difference!" Effective only on strikers and attacking midfielders, this, coupled with 'disapponting' will often turn the draw into a win by 90mins. Very good on strikers with rating 8, sometimes rating 7, and excellent on substute strikers.
Likely effect: "Inspired to a great performance", "Inspired to a better performance", "Morale boost", "Seemed motivated", "Happy" or "Looked delighted". Rarely no effect.

Note that "you can make the difference!" does not work on players with ratings 6, therefore if you have a striker at rating 6 at 1/2 time and you have a good substitute on the bench, put the substitute on, say 'you can make the difference' to him and disppointing to the starter, and watch the substitute making the difference. Alternatively you can leave the rating 6 striker on and say 'disappointing' to him and hope that he gets inpired or motivated. If he remains at rating 6 60-70 mins into the game, you know that the team talk has not worked, substitute him off ASAP.

An example:

I was drawing 0-0 with Modena as Roma at home after the 1s 45mins (I was heavily favoured of course), 7 of the 11 players had rating 7, so I said "you can win this game" as a genearl team talk. My striker Antunes and one of my DCs Pearce were on rating 6, they are the important positions and I can't afford them to continue underperform, so I substituted another striker Nazarith on and said "you can make difference" to him, at the same time Richards was brought on for Pearce with no individual team talks on him as I know that a DC does not usually make the difference when I am looking for a win. My AML Menez and MC Hornbig were on rating 6 as well, these are not crucial positions so I could try 'disappointing'. The results:

ImageShack - Hosting :: teamtalkif1.jpg


4- Home and you are losing:

General team talk: "You can win this" if most player ratings are 7+. Likely result: Some players "Looked delighted" "Happy" "Seemed motivated". Some players no effect.

"Disappointing" if average rating is 6 and morale is good + , likely result: a few players "inspired", "fired-up","seemed motivated". Sometimes "lost confidence" "seemed confused" if the player has rating 7+, thus you need to do individual team talks for those players: "you have faith" or "pleased". (Copy and paste from above ^^)

I rarely go more harsh than disappointing for general team talks, if you feel like it, go for it and give me feebacks of your results.

Individual team talks: Similar to those in point 3, again here 'you can make the difference' and 'disappoiting' are you best friends which will turn the game around. Don't be surprised if you get a news item that one of your players praises your team talk and credits you for the turnaround after the match Smile

Away scenarios

Because my hands are getting tired typing...I will not separate all away scenarios, as they are similar to home scenarios but note the following:

Go less harsh (as suggested by the tips in the game) for both general team talks and individual teams talks. 'Disappointing' rarely works away, either as general team talk or individual team talk, unless you are heavily favoured, e.g. Chelsea away vs...hmm... Leeds...
Therefore if you have a striker at rating 6 by 1/2 time and you are drawing/losing, don't say 'disappointing' as you do at home. "You have faith" or a general "you can win!" works occassionally but the best option for me is to substitute him off and say 'you can make the difference!" to the player coming on.

Post-match team talks:

Post-match team talks is as straight-forward as pre-match. The goal here is to keep morale up, without ignoring poor performances. Here player rating is the key factor. If most players have rating 7, say pleased, even if you lost or drew. If most players have rating 6 at home, disappointing is the right one; thrilled if most of your players are on 8+. Individually, say delighted/fantastic to those with rating 8+ and don't be surprised that those players soon list you are their favoured personnel. Say disappointing to rating 6s, if other players hav e 7+. Angered to rating 5 is justified, the player may be 'angered' too as a result, but that does help keep his motivation up.

That's it for now Smile I welcome feedbacks and comments from all of you who have tried this guide. Or if you have your own method of team talks and wish to share it here, please do so. I hope this thread will develop into a meaningful and thorough discussion of team talks in fm08 and that it will help those struggling to make use of team talks.

Cheers,

Wolfsong

THIS WAS MADE BY WOLFSONG FROM SIGAMES.

Fedorico Roma Fan is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 14 Users Say Thank You to Fedorico Roma Fan For This Useful Post:
Jarvis (16-04-08), John10 (13-04-08), klatz (20-04-08), Leaf (22-05-08), Liverpool_Fan 19 (16-04-08), liveru (10-04-08), lufc (10-04-08), Mercer (24-05-08), overburning (11-05-08), seany (16-04-08), Sports King (01-05-08), T.H (13-04-08), tottihead (25-04-08), wafiyPHD (17-06-08)
Old 10-04-08, 02:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
Decent Youngster
 
lufc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 30
Thanks: 3
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
lufc is on a distinguished road
Default

Great thread!

lufc is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to lufc For This Useful Post:
travie500 (28-04-08)
Old 10-04-08, 02:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
Touted as the next Ali Dia
 
liveru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Norwich (Born and bred in Liverpool though)
Posts: 1,769
Thanks: 507
Thanked 358 Times in 336 Posts
liveru is on a distinguished road
Default

Brilliant guide Feddo.

I've still not quite mastered the team talk so it'll help me loads. Cheers mate.

"The FMF Nightwatch Crew is watching you!"


My current game.
My graphics portfolio.
If you would like me to make you a sig or any other type of graphics, please either PM me or leave a request in the above thread.
You'll Never Walk Alone.
The Cult Of Ruism!
liveru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-04-08, 05:20 AM   #4 (permalink)
Touted as a new David Ginola: Im an FMF'er, Not a movie star
 
Hartynips's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: wiltshire
Posts: 1,660
Thanks: 226
Thanked 370 Times in 348 Posts
Hartynips is on a distinguished road
Default

Superb thread, I just hope it helps me!

Signature-Care of Ru Top FMF GFX Artist
Current game Spain/Birmingham 08-09
Hartynips is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-04-08, 07:45 AM   #5 (permalink)
T.H
FMF DB Update Scout & FMF Police Chief
 
T.H's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Knaresborough
Posts: 2,722
Thanks: 710
Thanked 234 Times in 193 Posts
T.H is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to T.H
Default

Fantastic guide, should help a lot.

When managing 20 teams I usually ask assistant and tweak it a bit when he is a complete noob and says enjoy the game even though its the biggest game of the season.

I always seem to concede a lot goals too, so hopefully applying these rules will help me to keep the scorelines tighter.

I have used the "We must get a result here" quite a lot, especially when I am losing at half time, and I can see that it makes a big difference 80% of the time.

Aston Villa 0-4 Man City HT

Used the "we must get a result" option, and Villa came back to win 5-4 in the last 13 minutes.

Portsmouth 4-0 Aston Villa HT

Used it again and although it wasnt a convincing comeback the game ended 5-2 to Pompey

Man City 0-2 Blackburn HT

Used it once again and Man CIty cameback to win 3-2 in the last 15 minutes.

These are my most recent examples of this working, I will add more if I see fit!

My Crazy Season - Click My Sig!



A massive thanks to Ap, I really appreciate the awesome effort thats been put into this!



Credit to Dargo, GFX Project Winner 2007

Leader & Co-Founder of the FMF Police!
T.H aka Spuds, Chris aka Turnip, Neil aka Nuts, Graham aka Felix and Pale aka Crabs!
T.H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-04-08, 08:56 AM   #6 (permalink)
Co-founder of the cult Ruism
 
John10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Dundalk, Ireland
Posts: 2,354
Thanks: 194
Thanked 309 Times in 249 Posts
John10 is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to John10
Default

excellent guide feddo, i never really got the right effect from team talks but i will try this out and see what the results are

John10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-04-08, 09:58 AM   #7 (permalink)
Scout For FMF's DB Update
 
Dargo17's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Scotland Not Britain
Posts: 548
Thanks: 29
Thanked 110 Times in 101 Posts
Dargo17 is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to Dargo17
Default

Great guide Fed apart from i just posted it up on FMD the otherday :P
kutgw

Dargo17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-04-08, 12:48 PM   #8 (permalink)
Backup To The First Team
 
ionutd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Romania , Iasi
Posts: 154
Thanks: 9
Thanked 21 Times in 15 Posts
ionutd is on a distinguished road
Default

or a bit easier, get an assistant manager with 20 Motivating and there you go, perfect advices every time :)
ionutd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-04-08, 05:53 PM   #9 (permalink)
What Bozza can do with an orange, I can do with a grape!
 
Fedorico Roma Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: palermo,Italy
Posts: 2,563
Thanks: 24
Thanked 463 Times in 198 Posts
Fedorico Roma Fan is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to Fedorico Roma Fan
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dargo17 View Post
Great guide Fed apart from i just posted it up on FMD the otherday :P
kutgw
oh right :| lol i didnt realise :| lmao

Fedorico Roma Fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-04-08, 08:09 AM   #10 (permalink)
Touted as a new David Ginola: Im an FMF'er, Not a movie star
 
Hartynips's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: wiltshire
Posts: 1,660
Thanks: 226
Thanked 370 Times in 348 Posts
Hartynips is on a distinguished road
Default

Well its kinda working for me, (At Ascoli season2) Ive found that games that I normally would lose I tend to draw, and games that should on paper be bore draws, turn out sneaking the win.

I still cant seem to motivate my team to play fast flowing attacking football of my Hull team, but progress is being made

Signature-Care of Ru Top FMF GFX Artist
Current game Spain/Birmingham 08-09
Hartynips is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-04-08, 05:14 PM   #11 (permalink)
Scout For FMF's DB Update
 
Dargo17's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Scotland Not Britain
Posts: 548
Thanks: 29
Thanked 110 Times in 101 Posts
Dargo17 is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to Dargo17
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedorico Roma Fan View Post
oh right :| lol i didnt realise :| lmao
lol ts ok im just joking :D

Dargo17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-04-08, 08:59 AM   #12 (permalink)
Decent Youngster
 
Liverpool_Fan 19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 19
Thanks: 7
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Liverpool_Fan 19 is on a distinguished road
Default

Could I have more infomation when playing away
Liverpool_Fan 19 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-04-08, 05:45 PM   #13 (permalink)
Backup To The First Team
 
dafudge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Swansea
Posts: 202
Thanks: 42
Thanked 22 Times in 22 Posts
dafudge is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to dafudge
Default

Absoulutley Faboulus

dafudge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-04-08, 11:36 PM   #14 (permalink)
Decent Youngster
 
klatz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 32
Thanks: 11
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
klatz is on a distinguished road
Default

nice guide i wiil give feedback tomorrow
klatz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-04-08, 04:57 PM   #15 (permalink)
Decent Youngster
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 6
Thanks: 3
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
tottihead is on a distinguished road
Default

wow, very nice and informative. This with the tactics guide has helped turn my season around
tottihead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-04-08, 10:00 AM   #16 (permalink)
Decent Youngster
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 2
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
matinh is on a distinguished road
Default

thank you
matinh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-06-08, 10:09 AM   #17 (permalink)
The next Harry Redknapp
 
scholesy18's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Birmingham (Born an Bred in Salford tho :P)
Posts: 685
Thanks: 64
Thanked 108 Times in 94 Posts
scholesy18 is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to scholesy18
Default

Awesome guide this is, recommend it to anyone who has a team that is struggling, works wonders, tried it a few times the other night and the difference after HT is remarkable lol





Current Game :-
Zenit St. Petersburg 07/08 RFPL Winner
scholesy18 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-06-08, 03:50 PM   #18 (permalink)
FMF Donater/ FMF Police Co-Chief
 
chrisashmore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Guildford
Posts: 723
Thanks: 97
Thanked 100 Times in 96 Posts
chrisashmore is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to chrisashmore
Default

awsome guide mate KUTGW


Thanks Liveru You Legend
chrisashmore is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0.1

All times are GMT. The time now is 09:51 PM.


Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC8
Style Provided By: