jammy1982

How the hell can they justify the stupidity of this game!! Using my own tactic (set of 2) that has got me results (bt Chelsea 4-0 away, bt Spurs 7-0 home, bt Liverpool 5-1 away to name a few).

If a team was playing in a way to obtain these kind of results how on earth can they then go get beaten 3-0 by Newcastle then 4-0 + 4-1 by Arsenal (both at home) in consecutive games to give me my only defeats so far! This just proves to me that the developers/programmers at SI are a useless bunch of C****!

It's all well and good making the tactical side of the game more difficult and I am all for it, but surely the aim must also be to make it at least plausible when defeats do come your way.

In all 3 of the above defeats I had 60+% possession, 25+ shots of which over half were on target yet i get beaten by teams that score with all the chances they get and all but 2 of the goals in those games were long range screamers!

C'MON SI sort it out and employ some staff who know what they are doing!!

John10

hmmmmm sounds to me like your just a bad loser mate. eventually the computer figures out your tactic and means you need to change it again which is probably what happened you

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T.H

John's right, its all about the tactic.

Also look at Chelsea, dont always dominate the game, always win though

Hartynips

Playing the same way doesnt always work against the same teams. Varying your tactics every three to four games will increase the likelihood of getting better results.

As said on a previous post to somebody, one super tactic in the game that beats every team would be just pointless and boring.

jammy1982

I dont use the same tactic constantly, have two base tactics which are tweaked on a game by game basis, so my tactic hasn't been found out! As for being a sore loser, try reading the original post properly before replying, this is not about losing as losing is inevitable, football is never guaranteed. The point is that if they are going to make you lose (say to even the game a bit) then at least make it believable, it can not be that hard to code the game in such a way that when the game does cheat to peg u back (lets face it all games do!) then why do it in such fairytale fashion!

fozzafulham

Yet again people moaning about there tatics and the game engine the game isnt just about tactics its about what you say before during and after a game why does everyone always blame someone else if they lose a game the feel they should win. how many of your shots where from wide angles or from 25 yards out they may have been on target but they are going to be easier to save, what did you say to the press, what did you players before the game. You admit you dont expect to win ever game then moan when you do!!!

Alan_R

Well think of it as a real scenario. You've been winning big so rival managers probably think its a good idea to be defensive and absorb your pressure. Then hit you on the counter and make the most of the chances they get. Thats whats happened here. Since you've not counter acted that then it just means you are a poor manager. Don't go blaming SI about it and shouting your mouth off. If you think you could design a better management sim, go right ahead.

jammy1982

It amazes me the amount of people that can not admit that this game has some really major flaws!! I know all about team talks and press comments thank you very much, my argument is not the fact that I have lost but the manner in which the game goes about it, seems like SI have got it all
slanted when it comes to the balance between realism and user enjoyment. They have tried too hard to make it a simulation (In doing so they have taken the game further from realism than I thought they could), when lets face it, it is a game because there are far too many variables in football to ever truly be called a simulation!

SI, in my opinion, since the split from Eidos after CM03/04, have taken what was startin to look like the king of all match engines and have systematically turned it into the bastard offspring of said engine!

And before you start, yes I know the match engine from 03/04 was flawed but they always remembered that user enjoyment was the ultimate goal and that sometimes realism does have to be sacrificed for the sake of enjoyment!

So stop acting like you all are masters of this game and blindly sticking up for it, open your eyes and realise that tactics, teamtalks and press comments all in the end mean nothing, cause if the game wants you to lose you will lose no matter how well prepared you are!!

T.H

Tbh I would rather realism than enjoyment.

Its called Football Manager for a reason, so you can live the live of a football manager as realistically as possible.

And watch the language mate, this is a friendly place

Toukai

im sorry but if the games want you to lose you lose? thats not true. as proven by the turn match off after one result replay it a few and see that wth different teamtalks and tactic the result is rarely the same.

Also i agree with Alan, and yes this has happened to me, and itll happen again.

Akenatwn

i think you're wrong there.i've tried it too and i've seen that if a game against an inferior opponent goes wrong,it goes wrong most of the times i tried it.a blatant example of this was a match with Villa against a low prem team.the 1st time it was 0-0.and so was it another 4 out of 10 times i replayed the match.i only won 2 times...
this has been like this since FM times.back in CM it was as you say.they must have changed when the luck factor for each team is computed.or something like that...

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Axillo

I Agree With Jammy, If you read what hes saying it all really makes sense.

liveru

I've had this same problem. How I got round it was changing the entire formation and then I beat Man United 7-0!

Times like that, I've found just tweaking the tactic doesn't work. You need to change the whole thing.

scholesy18

I can sort of see where you are coming from with this mate, i'm not or I dont think anyone on this site has claimed to be "masters of the game" but saying that tactics and team talks do nothing is not intirely true, you say that when the game wants you to lose you will do, well maybe in some cases yes and I ave to admit that now and again I ave had frustrating losses where I should ave won but I adapted and learned too pay attention to my scout reports on the opposition, this has now lead me to a reasonable amount of success in my current game and even lead me to winning the European Championships in 2012 with what I can only describe as a poor England side, I find that maybe sometimes your ave to drop that star flair player away from home now and again and put in a tenacious player to steady the ship, by no means is FM perfect but lets be honest it's still by far the best management sim out there.

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Alan_R

what I said before still stands in regards to individual matches but I sort of see where your coming from. Like scolesy said FM is by no means perfect.(everything else he said was bang on as well by the way!)

I feel you would've got a more favourable response if you'd worded your thread along the lines of 'does anyone else find it frustrating that the engine often seems flawed because...' or 'I don't like how si have changed...' you see what im saying? just came off like you are a sore loser and ranting your head off.

Schmidy

Wow, people have really come out the shell and attacked the makers of a great game, but then there are the flaws that come but you find them in every game.

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Akenatwn

You actually sound like my mother...c'mon are you serious?he said it like he wanted and good for him.if you can't read thoroughly a post even if it has an attacking tone like his then that's your problem (and i'm not refering just to you Alan but everyone who just came on to attack jammy).i don't say that totally agree with him,but your reactions are really childish...

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Hartynips

Cracker, anyone?

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Enjoying it,aren't you?

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Alan_R

childish? I think you need to brush up on your vocabulary. It is quite the opposite, I took the mature approach. As a writer with qualifications in English I am quite aware of writing in a way which my audience will respond to. No one 'attacked' jimmy either so I feel it is you who hasn't read the posts thoroughly. The basics for this type of discussion would be: Make a statement, reinforce it with evidence and points, state your opinion. He didn't do that. He was just ranting about how useless SI were. If that is the case no one is forcing you to play the game.