Seth7724

A Drunken Manchester City fan was stabbed to death after singing sick songs about the Manchester United stars killed in the Munich air crash.

Vincent Collins, 44, upset regulars at the George and Dragon pub chanting: "Who's that dying on the runway, who's that dying in the snow."

He refused to leave when ordered out by bar staff and punched drinker Paul Moores in the face.

Moores, 46, who had been quietly drinking on his own, left the pub in Cheadle, Greater Manchester - but returned minutes later and plunged a knife into Vincent's back.

As he stabbed the dad of three, who had been drinking heavily and watching football with a gang of friends, he yelled: "You won't be hitting me again."

Moores, of Cheadle, was yesterday beginning a life sentence after being found guilty of murder.

He denied the charge, telling Manchester crown court he recalled nothing of the incident. He will serve a minimum of 15 years.

Detective Inspector Terry Sweeney said: "This was a senseless killing. Vincent may have been no angel but he didn't deserve to be brutally attacked in such a cold-blooded way."

The trial came just weeks after Manchester United marked the 50th anniversary of the Busby Babes tragedy, in which eight players died.

Personally, I think this is everything that is wrong with England today and some football fans in general.

T.H

That is just sick, and so disrespectful, tbh no one deserves to die, but this guy got what was coming to him (the City fan)

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Hartynips

I see kind of what you're saying TH but the sad truth is this modern day football is reverting to caveman tribalism. In an age now where the hooligan days are said to be dying down by so called experts in this country,some people will still use just about any excuse to attack somebody else in a "cause". Look at the young everton fan shot dead a few months back. It seems to me the whole green street ethic is as raw as its ever been, its never going to go away.

Its unfair to say the city fan got what he deserved, a stupid drunken moment in his life has cost him dearly and left his kids without a dad, and his wife without a husband. Equally the united fan has got to live with what he did for the rest of his life. This hostility between rival fans has grown, especially between derby clubs. Its like a new form of hooliganistic element has evolved, and one I fear is never going to be stamped out.

Seth7724

As you will see when you older, drunk people say such shite and crap that they would proberbly never say sober.

That reaction was sick.

Bfc-Fan

bloody hell :O

BirdyFC

To be honest, this shows the two main problems with football fans nowadays.

1- No respect for other fans or other clubs even if it is your main rival. The Man City fan didn't deserve to be murdered though (no-one does).

2- Over reacting. Yes what the Man City fan said and did was disgraceful but to get a knife and kill the person with intent is an over reaction.


It's such a shame that people that take everything a bit too seriously or don't show the slightest bit of respect ruin the beautiful game.

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liveru

I have a distaste for United for the obvious reasons but I would never dream of singing such disrespectful songs about the dead of United. Just the same as any self respecting United fan would never dream of singing any ill songs about the 96 Reds we lost at Hillsborough.

As for the fatal stabbing itself, I can't believe that this 'fan' would do something like that. No-one deserves to be stabbed with the intent to kill, no matter what they were singing about your club. He should've seen that that particular pillock was being just that, a pillock.

As said before, people like these two idiots are ruining our beautiful game.

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apthered

no matter who you are, you dont deserve to die
im a liverpool fan, i hate united, i love planes, it was still terrible, and theres 1000s of people dying every day, show some love, care a bit, cuz i f you dont care, you dont deserve to be here

Fedorico Roma Fan

the problem isnt only in england as you know this isnt an isolated event. we had the same problems with the killing of "that fan" by police a few months ago, he was apparently killed for being a lazio fan.

football violence is spiralling out of control in my opinion and drastic measures need to be taken and soon.

Dargo17

WOW
this is what happens wen people drink

NEIL

Reading this story it has nothinig to do with the footbal yes he was drunk and yes he was singing but this was about him hitting some local nutter, to leave and go and get a knife shows that this wasn't a reaction but a planned assualt.

If you cant handle it dont drink it cos if your an angry drunk who likes fighting when your drunk some day you will meet someone who is bigger tougher or quicker and your end up in hospital if your lucky if not RIP

Seth7724

Yet we still hear the songs ringing around old trafford every other week.

Pot Kettle and all that

liveru

Yeah, but those idiots aren't fans.

Seth7724

It's a shame there is enough of them to drown out the others.

There doesn't seem to be many United fans that arn't obsessed with City and us though.

Seth7724

I don't know too much about how Italian fans act to be honest.

But from reports in England, it makes them sound as if they create trouble almost every week(the postponing of a few games as a result)

If you go to places like Poland, Croatia, Brazil etc. You find that many people join football hooligan gangs even if they don't like football, they just do it to be part of a gang.

I hope england never turns out like that.

adamjigey

well where did u find that out m8 feel sick he said it but then again feel sorry

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Hartynips

This whole situation has come about because of this society "Respect" issue and in the case of the fan stabbing the other guy, abuse of a cause.

I think some of the others (the older guys) will agree with me on this, that when we were younger, say back in late 90's kids actually taking weapons to each other was more or less unheard of. Nowadays the world seems to be full of it, Kids knifing or shooting each other over nothing, Hooligan football fans attacking each other for supporting a "Rival" club.

The estate I grew up on wasn't overly rough but it wasnt a safe haven for kids either. There were gang elements, I was in one. We would have an argument, fists would fly and an hour later veryone was best mates again having a kick around down at the rec. It was quite common to walk through another "Gangs" patch and be chased or suffer a beating! But when all was said and done It was relatively harmless to an extent, it may have escalated to school suspension or grounding for a month.

Nowadays there seems to have to be an element of "respect" Where has this come from? I'm not talking about the "respect" I was brought up on, and probs the older ones on here too will know what I mean. The respect I was taught was for your elders, for other people and their property, for animals, the law and so on. It seems to be an ethic that very few youngsters nowadays adhere to. Respect is now for the hardest kid on the block. Respect is taking out a supporter of a rival club. Respect over these issues in my and many others opinions is in fact utterly worthless.

People who enter a football ground soley to barrage abuse to the opposition fans, the opposing team and manager are nothing short of animals. People who stay around grounds to actually intend to fight opposing supporters are equally sub standard. People, (who have no personal connection to the club tragedy apart from supporting the same club) and causing trouble over it arent real fans. They have no "respect" for the one thing they should have in these instances.

FM_Scotland

Dying or crying for football is madness. It's a game blown well out of proportion.

liveru

Do you know what Harty? I couldn't have said it better myself.