Rafael Benitez - Page 2 - FMFormation.net - Football Manager

**Hartynips** · 20-02-08, 09:08 AM

In china we have old saying true to 1996...Mr Keegan..if it aint broke before...do not try fix...Benitez, take note.

**NEIL** · 20-02-08, 09:17 AM

i just generally think rafas come to a country where all the teams are now getting money so there more competion and is being found out and is looking at blaming everyone but himself,

also he has brought a lot of spaninsh players who we know have no bottle as there national team has shown over the years.

If i was a liverpool fan i would be embrassed about last night they couldnt even pass the ball to feet when they had an extra man woeful

**Hartynips** · 20-02-08, 09:21 AM

Trouble is now for liverpool, nobody fears them anymore. There was a time five or six years ago that you would dread facing them more than Utd or Arsenal. Now because Rafa is a worse tinkerer than Claudio Ranieri was, you feel there is always points to be taken off them

Seth7724 · 20-02-08, 12:01 PM

I can't take anything some of these Liverpool fans are saying.

Riise world class?

We have a lad named Insua in the reserves that is twice the player Riise is.

Rafa sacked? Get lost.

Some people make me cringe

New*Anfield* · 20-02-08, 12:13 PM

Thats an important issue you touched on marshy, although due to Agger's well documented metatarsel problems and the horribly inconsistent form of our full backs it has been difficult to retain a settled back four...hence him playing a right back at left back (Abeloa) and even playing our best centre half (JC) at full back.

Two full backs are an essential purchase in the summer if we are to progress as imo riise,aurelio, finnan and arbeloa are decent players in their own right but not good enough for Liverpool to progress to a higher level.

Seth, spot on....Insua is class(at least potentially) I cannot understand why he has not been included more on 1st team duty...

Seth7724 · 20-02-08, 12:21 PM

Arbeloa has been playing leftback before he came to liverpool.

His debut was vs Barcelona in a tactical masterclass he put a leftback that is right footed, against a left footed right winger.

Arbeloa kept Messi quite for 2 legs!!!

Have any of you so called "fans" seen the resevres lately?

That is what Rafa has built for the future, A team with the likes of Pacheco, Bruna, Nemeth, Insua, Plessis, Spearing, Leto all ripping apart senior players from the other clubs. 5 points clear, what a future.

The youth team, youth cup winners 2 seasons running, this year apodopted Eccleston and Amoo into thier team, and are on hot form.

So we arn't doing too well in the premiership, but this year is the first year we ahve been able to spend "Big". Come summer, a quality winger, and partner for Torres will see us stronger than ever.

If your a doubter your a downer.

RAFA RAFAEL RAFA RAFAEL RAFA RAFAEL RAFAEL BENITEZ!

New*Anfield* · 20-02-08, 02:36 PM

lol Seth, yes I have been watching the reserves and yes I do agree Rafa has done wonders regarding setting a foundation for the future of Liverpool fc. No I do not have a downer on Rafael..I'm just pointing out problems with current playing staff..you cannot honestly tell me that you think our full backs are good enough m8?

Todays game requires fb's to be technically better than ever, ball control, passing & movement and our's just do not cut the mustard...Aurelio has had a bit of a slating but at least he has a football brain and can control a football

woodsy · 28-04-08, 03:42 PM

Liverpool are a good team with potential but they can do much better than they are they just need to concentrate a bit more and some of you are saying they should be out of the 'big 4' personally i think they are 3rd best in 'big 4' regarding i hate Arsenal ALOT, If they do sack Rafa I reckon Jose might sign but I woulden't say he would sign for definate anyway hasen't he signed a pre-contract with Inter Milan? and for the 'world class players' I agree with Harty but Anderson world class T.H.? Give 2-4 Seasons and he'll be the next Kaka he's doing well but I dont think he'll be world class this season or next but just my opinion... for me the world class players in Man u and Liverpool:

MUFC: Ronaldo,Ferdinand,Rooney,Maybe Neville but doubt it
LFC: Gerrard,Torres,Xabi Alonso, Carragher, Mascherano, Babel's still improving to a even better player.

Toukai · 30-04-08, 10:55 AM

Is that supposed to mean liverpool are better than man utd?

Liverpools problems are simple, Weak full backs, too many top quality CMs (yeah that is actually a problem), Weak Wingers, and only 1 top quality striker. This is comparing to the other 'big 4' teams.

The youth set up at liverpool is great, and given time rafa will make the club better.

at the moment liverpool are 4th, in the league and obviously in the big 4 teams. But theres no reason why they cant move onto 2nd in the next 5 years (chelsea will implode and when man utd lose SAF they are screwed)

Mourinho is not a manager liverpool needs.

woodsy · 30-04-08, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Toukai

Is that supposed to mean liverpool are better than man utd?

Liverpools problems are simple, Weak full backs, too many top quality CMs (yeah that is actually a problem), Weak Wingers, and only 1 top quality striker. This is comparing to the other 'big 4' teams.

The youth set up at liverpool is great, and given time rafa will make the club better.

at the moment liverpool are 4th, in the league and obviously in the big 4 teams. But theres no reason why they cant move onto 2nd in the next 5 years (chelsea will implode and when man utd lose SAF they are screwed)

Mourinho is not a manager liverpool needs.

I aint saying they ARE better than united I'm saying i prefer them than united and I agree with you on their probs but one top striker? =| I think Kuyt's great for L'Pool with Torres thats 2 but the other forwards aint as good as Torres or Kuyt

Toukai · 01-05-08, 09:06 AM

kuyt isnt a striker hes a horse, err workhorse, think an expensive Jon Stead, trys hard but will never get 30+ goals

Seth7724 · 01-05-08, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Toukai

kuyt isnt a striker hes a horse, err workhorse, think an expensive Jon Stead, trys hard but will never get 30+ goals

Not many people will to be honest with you.

**Jonners71** · 25-06-08, 11:23 AM

Rafa may be gone by Christmas if we aren't challenging for the title....and to be honest I don't think we will be. Rafa is a tactics geek who can out smart Barcelona and Inter over 2 games but can't get his head round the dangers of Fulham away.

Who would replace him? Well, plenty of International managers will be out of a job after the euros....

No way Jose...the fan's wouldn't take it.

Klinsmann would be ok as I think he is better than given credit for. Rikjarrd(sp?) after Barca boot him out? A return for King Kenny? Roberto Mancini? A return for Gerrard Houliier?

Personally I'd like to see Rafa stay in charge as that would mean we are doing well...

**Bfc-Fan** · 25-06-08, 01:27 PM

I dislike Rafa as a manager, but I think Kuyt is a worldy player :)

Aarontheblue · 02-07-08, 04:37 PM

Rafael Benitez is not a good manager. IF he wasnt semi-good at his tactics he would br managing Accrington Stanley.

And it doesnt matter what manager Liverpool have, yous arnt good enough to challenge the top 3. And you wont be till you can beat them consistantly away from home and most importantly at home.

Btw, i hate Rafa :) Hes just a fat spanish waitor.

apthered · 02-07-08, 09:17 PM

1) Liverpool can win the premiership (if we had agger the whole season we might have played as we did in the first 6 or 7 games)
2) Dont make fun of Accrington Stanley! Theyre in the Premiership and I'll make sure we beat Everton! BOTH TIMES

**liveru** · 02-07-08, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by apthered

Dont make fun of Accrington Stanley! Theyre in the Premiership.

I think you're confusing real life with FM Ap.

apthered · 02-07-08, 09:31 PM

but then everyone in this thread would be so happy
cuz Rafa Benitez has won 2 premiership titles, 2 champions leagues and and fa cup in the time ive been managing accrington

**Jonners71** · 06-07-08, 08:36 AM

Reading some of Torres' comments post-euro 2008 - he is heaping praise on Rafa's man management skills. Let's hope he can get the best out of some of our rough diamonds next season - Lucas, Babel.

I was listening to a podcast a few weeks back where Insua was discussed. He has been amazing in the reserves but the general feeling was that because he lacks height he would be no good if he had to slot into the centre during a match....I'm not sure this argument holds up. He has been good for the Argentina youth set up - if he goes to the olympics that may be the next big test to see how ready he might be for the first team.

Still not sure Rafa will play him though - we are bringing players over too soon from South America - Paletta was a good example - now he has gone back to Boca he is a better player than when he was at liverpool.

**Bowser** · 06-07-08, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by targetthyself

um no, Vidic is nice but would he better say Alex of Chelsea, or Daniel Agger, and Sammi Hyypia at Liverpool how about Distin or Sol Campbell at Pompey, I don't think so.

for future record, my definition of "World Class" is a player that could command a fee of 20M pounds or could walk on to just about any team in the world AND make them better.

now with this said i would say that Evra is now a WCP, but so is Riise because of the shockingly weak world level of the LB position. and btw Riise is a built like a cinder block so if you can get him to turn his hips you have him beat. Rafa is trying to push him forward to take advantage of his very nice passing and Long Shooting. but if you throw Ronaldo, or Nani at him he's got problems, but who can stop them honestly.

and Lucas is so good Rafa is trying to force him onto the pitch at unnatural positions, his problem is that Mascherano is in front of him i expect to see him in a Barca or A.C Milan or Chelsea, or Real Madrid shirt in the next few years.

and i reject the Giggs Scholes and Hargreaves express train, i think your Red Devil blood is clouding your vision on this one. Hargreaves is a waste of money a nice pure DM but you play a 4-4-2 and he has to pass the ball which to say he's very blinkered with his passing would be a massive understatement. Fletcher is a better player then he is imo. and Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes are legends in the annals of Old Trafford as they should be, but they're times as world class players as come to an end. They're David Beckham, still very good to good players, but not World Class any longer.

and Babel i was probably a little early on, but hes maturating into a WCP if not there yet.

Liverpool: Gerrard, Torres, Carragher, Mascherano, Riise, Lucas
Man Utd: Ronaldo, Rooney, Evra, Anderson, Nani, Ferdinand, Tevez

First of, Vidic is a better player then Alex of Chelsea, Dan Agger an Sammi Hyppia, although I daresay, give Agger a few years then maybe but not now.

Secondly, how can anyone call Riise a world class player, Liverpool just sold him ffs!

Thirdly, Lucas is a good player but I dont think hes world class yet, and that will take a few more years I spose.

Fourthly, if Hargreaves a waste of money, why would SAF buy him? Besides Giggs and Scholes, i expect, will probably be playing less this season, thats what SAF bought Nani and Anderson for, to replace them! Even if Owen Hargreaves was a waste of money, they still won the league while Liverpool had to settle for 4th place, while being hunted down by Everton on the last half of the season!

And your definition of a world class player....I dont agree. You're saying someone whos worth 20mil + or could walk on to just about any team in the world andmake them better is a world class player? Are you suggesting someone like Shevchenko is a world class player (he was but I dont think so now)

Babel is a good player, but not WC yet so we'll see about it...