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Old 08-07-08, 03:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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There's a question that's been on my mind for a while now.

Are these so called cheating devices just that? A device for cheating?
I decided to investigate this question with a bit of 'cheating' myself.

The most obvious way is to use FMM (Football Manager Modifier). The program modifies certain information in the game. ie; You can change the value of a player to suit your budget or even better, change your budget entirely.
I nearly couldn't even write this article as when I tried to load FMM, I got an error message saying, "File access denied." After asking about, turned out that Vista users have to run the program as administrator. I just assumed Windows didn't want me to cheat. Anyway, immediately upon loading, I have found that this is without a doubt the best way of cheating. Both budgets can be changed, bank balance can be changed. Abilities and potential abilites can be changed. After spending literally about 5 minutes looking at the various features for this popular cheating device, I decided enough was enough. This is a clear way of cheating as it gives you an unfair advantage against other teams. You can either make your team a team of players that has every statistic at 20, or you can seriously damage other teams in your league by changing all their player's stats to 1. You can also change player's reputations to suit your clubs. In other words Ronaldinho could end up signing for Peterborough. I have save games where I want to eat the disc but I will never resort to this program as it makes the game just a little too easy.

Other popular forms of cheating are certain scouting programs like FM Genie Scout or Mini Scout Editor. Now the latter has a search option where you can find the best young talent on the game, plus it's a very basic version of FMM. You can only change the CA, PA, value, sale value, morale and fitness etc of a player. You cannot change anything on a team. Genie Scout on the other hand doesn't have any features so you can change statistics in the game instantly like the former two programs I have mentioned so far but it should still be classed as a cheating device. It allows you to perform searches for players of your choice. Kinda like the player/staff search on the game with a significant difference. It gives you the current ability and potential ability of each player, not to mention their values and how much you'd have to part with in order to buy the player you are after. I have read that some people see this program as a must have in order to play the game but in truth, it's just like FMM, if it gives you an unfair advantage, it's cheating. Although, people can be forgiven for using this program as it can be hard to find 'next Cristiano Ronaldo'.

These are the only three programs I have come across that helps a gamer cheat in order to progress in the game, but there are actually many forms of cheating inside the game itself. The actual editor you get with the game could be used to cheat. It's not hard to open it up and give your beloved club the best players and £200m to spend in the first transfer window.

Another way, which I admit to doing during Sports Interactive's time with Championship Manager is saving the game before each match, then reloading it if you don't get the desired result. This can turn out to be very tedious and I don't think it's a favourite way of cheating to be perfectly honest, because you have to have the patience of Jesus to cheat this way. Especially if you want to get a result against the likes of Chelsea if you are Hull City. Alternatively, you can take control of your opposition for match day and make them deliberately throw the game, therefore guarenteeing the result you want.
I actually have a mate that takes control of Real Madrid and Arsenal and sells all of Madrid's players to Arsenal for free. Again another form of cheating as it gives the gamer an unfair advantage. That particular way of cheating can be used both ways by selling a crap player for £50m to someone like Chelsea, therefore recieving £50m for yourself to spend on other players. Although, I don't see the point in this way of cheating. If you can get players for free by using this method, why would you need to sell a poor player for a ridiculous amount of money so you can buy better players? Then again, why do some people use FMM and claim they got Exeter City to the Premier League in four years?
Also is the infamous £40m 'trick'. I don't think this is a cheat as such. It's a loopole that allows you to sign a good player for a minimal fee after settiing up a structure of around £40m using certain additional fees like after 50 league games for your club.

Now, I'm going to risk being slapped about and called an idiot.

Can you class downloading other people's tactics as cheating? Some people would say it is. I have other people's creations on my PC as I type this and in my current game with Newcastle, I am using Fedorico's awesome tactic. But it could be construed as cheating. I didn't make the tactic. I know full well that Fed has had success with Sunderland using his creation so I downloaded it, therefore giving me an advantage with one that works. Then again, it isn't giving me an unfair advantage like the above methods.The definition of cheating is, "an act of lying, deception, fraud, trickery, imposture, or imposition. Cheating characteristically is employed to create an unfair advantage, usually in one's own interest, and often at the expense of others." Where in that definition would you put downloading a tactic? Like I said, it's an advantage having a tactic that works, but it's not an unfair advantage because teams can still counter this tactic and it's not 100% fool proof (as I found out against Manchester United with Everton, cheers Fed).
The same can be said for using other people's training schedules or shortlists.

The corner trick can be classed as a cheat as well. This 'cheat' was founded by Skacel. It basically allows your tall, strong centre backs to score regular from corners, hence the title. Again, it gives you an advantage but does it really give you an unfair advantage. Despite what some members think. Again, I don't think it is. You see I've used this trick myself and it doesn't guarantee a goal every game and my mate actually found a way to stop me scoring against him from corners so theoretically it's not giving me an unfair advantage as you can counter it.

If we say that the last three things are cheating, then where do we stop? Can we ask people about players without being accused of cheating? Or are we allowed to read people's guides on players on this wonderful site without being accused of cheating? If it wasn't for people writing the guides, then you may never have found out about certain players. It can go on for ages. The madness would never stop.

The only certain ways of cheating are the suggestions above, before the tactics. I'm not so certain using other people's tactics, schedules and shortlists can be classed as cheating. It's merely getting a little help from your friends.

Now, I don't condone cheating in any which way or form but there are some people that do cheat because they feel they have to to enjoy the game. Let's not all jump the bandwagon and say that cheaters don't deserve to play the game or continually ask why do you feel the need to cheat? It's their choice and as long as I'm not playing them online, they can do what they like. Although, I've read that these devices don't work on online games so it wouldn't matter anyway. Oh and I don't actually use any of these methods. I play the game and that's it.

Although, just for a laugh I have given Liverpool £200m to spend before using the in-game editor but let's keep that between me and you.



Here are the links to all the cheats I have mentioned in this article.

Corner Trick
FMFormation.net - Football Manager - FM2008 - Downloads - FM Modifier 2.25
FMFormation.net - Football Manager - FM2008 - Downloads - FM Genie Scout 2008 for v8.02
FM Scout - Mini Scout Editor (MiniSE)
The £40m Trick

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NOTE: This article wasn't written to bash those that use these methods, so please don't do it yourselves.

Last edited by liveru; 08-07-08 at 04:04 PM.


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great guide ru, very detailed and good to read

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Thats great writing there mate, i really like this article, and they are all very good points that you have pointed out there.
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Nice good read there, alot of details like beatty said it shows positive points aswell :) KIU

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I've often wondered about downloading tactics, schedules etc, so thanks for clearing it up, My guilt is no longer! LOL

Great guide tho, it shows you've done the research, so fair play mate!!!!

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good guide, i would class fmm and mini scout (editor) as the biggest cheating devices
genie scout is basically a good scout with CA and PA, and without those figures you can figure it out. and i know from experience that this isnt foolproof because even those players who have a PA of 190 something usually take years to get there or sometimes just dont. I had a Liechtenstein player once who I bought because of GenieScout and in the 5 years that I had him, he didnt progress one bit.

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Thats a brilliant guide Ru, cheers. I actually didnt realise (Being the naive countryboy) how many things there were out there to get results to go your way.

The most obvious one of course is the re-loading trick, one Im ashamed to say I used to use on LMA manager a few times when I was younger. I dont think Ive ever used it once on FM08 though, Partly because of the loading times and also (Probably cos Im old and very boring) because of the moral High Ground I tend to take on these things nowadays. I did it on fm07 a couple of times when I first bought it, but the reality soon checked in when I realised my team was always gonna lose because it simply wasnt good enough. That alone makes me (and I suspect others) strive that little bit harder to get players and tactics right.

I personally also would never download the genie things and whatever else to edit the game stats, partly because it makes a complete mockery of the game, and also because I have a suspicion of all things that do not come in a box!

Lastly I do believe the 40m trick is justifiable, I have used carrots of 10m, 15m and 20m in the past to gain players at my club that maybe in real life wouldnt have come. 40m is very excessive however and is borderline cheatment. I do believe however, there is no guarantee you can shift the player at the end of his time at the club, and if that happens it could undermine and ultimately get the manager sacked.

Just a few of my own thoughts that I hope you dont mind me sharing on your thread Ru.

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very nice article and a good read, i totally am against people using external modifers/scouting programs. although i dont think downloading other people's tactics/ schedules is cheating, although i try and use my own training and tactics where possible.

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wicked guide ruane,
people will now think twice about cheating :)
it completely ruins the game in my opinion
i dont cheat on any game, but cheating on fm is just 100% completely pointless it takes out the whole fun in the game..

looking forward to hearing more articles mate.
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very nice article here
now people say cheating is bad and that it ruins the game but if thats how that person enjoys the game then just leave them to it u dont have to do it yourself each person has their own way of playin games
ive used fm scout on 07 a few times but never found any 1 that good anyway so was waste of time
as for the whole 40m after so man league apps or goals scored it is not cheating in a way as it has been done in real life well not to the degree of say 40m say like 5 or 10m at most where they end up selling due to that player just not fitting the squad anymore and so that transfer fee was never paid

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great article mate, you know what they say, cheaters never prosper. I just dont see the point in cheating on fm. the whole point of the game is to challenge your knowledge and test yourself. If your gonna give say Torquay like 500million, its going to be a fairly easy game. Just dont know why you would want to. Its more entertaining in my view to do it the hard way and go through the ups and downs of fm without cheating.


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great article.i must say that when fm appears i didnt have internet connection and i had only the game and i didnt know about these cheats.so i was playng for real.but after playng so much i wasnt so motivated anymore.and whent i finaly installed an internet conection(january or february this year) i've installed fm08 again and i found those cheating programs.so i tried each of them.i found miniscout and genie scout quite good and i tried to get from some players the max potential from them.so with these things i start to play fm again.also the new skins made me play again fm so much.but ive started today to play cm2000/2001.and im waiting for fm09.i hope will be faster.becouse i cant play in england becouse when is fa cup or league cup i must wait around 20min to process all matches:(so i give up playng with weston-super-mare

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Really good article this Ru. I used to be guilty of the old re-loading trick but seasons seemed to last forever so I just learned how to lose! I do think that how anyone wants to play the game is up to them, and although it might seem like it takes all the fun out of it for most of us, for some people spending £200m at Swansea City is great fun too.

I'd not really thought about tactics being a cheat but you raise some good points here. When I started to use the Capitano tactic and all those goals from corners went in it did feel like I'd found a bug and therefore hadn't won these games properly on merit. But like you say, it didn't work every game and so kept the game as a challenge.

I never managed to get genie scout to work but I'm kinda glad as un-earthing gems yourself is my favourite part of the game.

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I used to be guilty of the old re-loading trick but seasons seemed to last forever so I just learned how to lose!
Like I said, on the old Champ Man games I used to be guilty of that cheat myself. Then again I was only young and when you're young, you do all kinds of things.


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well done thats a great article lol, there really aint no point in cheating is there tbh its fun not cheating mate, i used to cheat on fm 05, but since 06 nope havent cheated


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