English_Pride

Hey, am new round here, just been looking at some of the databases on here and although I ain't played them yet, they look great, some really good Ideas and looks like a great deal of work put into them so much respect to the guys who put a lot of time and effort into building these DB's up.

I have an idea for a Database I'd like to build, my idea is called the Six Nations Superleague, It would Involve taking teams from Rugbys 6 Nations and putting them in the English League System, The Countries are(for those who do not know what or where the 6 Nations is) are:-

England
Scotland
Wales
Ireland
France
Italy

Seen as in Rugby the Irish also include Northern Ireland, I would add teams from the N.Irish League System as if they were treat as being from the whole of Ireland and I would likely set it up as follows

Premiership(20 teams):-
Top 4 from England
Top 4 from Italy
Top 3 from France
Top 3 from Scotland
Top 3 from Wales
Top 3 from Ireland

Championship through to Blue Square Premier(24 teams):-
4 Teams from England
4 Teams from Italy
4 Teams from France
4 Teams from Scotland
4 Teams from Wales
4 Teams from Ireland

Blue Square North/South
5 Teams from England
5 Teams from Italy
3 Teams from France
3 Teams from Scotland
3 Teams from Wales
3 Teams from Ireland

I think I got the numbers right

If this idea comes off I also plan to fill the Feeder Leagues under B.Square North/South with teams from the 6 Nations to keep the balance right

I hope to be able to start this Database in the next few weeks, what I'm going to do first is back the original database up and mess about with it, swapping teams about to make sure I can it right

I also have a few other Ideas in mind, which I won't go into detail on just, but one idea consists of teams from the old British Empire 'The Colonial League' and also a Great Britain and Ireland Superleague and a Superleague based on teams from the Teams from countries who made up the Allies in World War 2

I have a basic grasp of how the database, I'll read the guides here to get a better Idea of how it works and what to change and what not to change.

Any ideas or opinions about my ideas would be very much appreciated, please don't hesitate to PM me or e-mail me at david.forster@vodafone.net or fozzy_fozzbourne@hotmail.com

Just let me know if it is a good idea, if it is crap, if i'm aiming too high, if it will be impossible to create or i'm just simply going out of my depth here

Any feedback would be great

What my main concern about it is, when I come to swap teams for example swapping Accrington Stanley for a team in Italy, when I come to swap them , I know I'd obviously have to change the nations of the teams, but would I for example have to relocate Accringtons Ground to say Turin and Juventus' ground to say Birmingham.

I guess i'll mostly find out through trial and error, just swapping teams about and then loading the database to see if it works

Also where do I upload the files to, whats the best site to join to upload

I hope this is not too long winded, and all your opinions, advice and help will be greatly appreciated

Look forward to hearing from you guys

All the Best

Fozz

hicapaul

Some great ideas there Fozz. Your doing the right thing having a play around first before you go for it.
It'd upto you about the stadiums, in my European Superleague, I didnt change the staduim cities, and had no problems.
As for uploading (dont forget to zip it), you can go straight to the download centre, and upload it there. Or try filefront.com, and link the file here.
Any probs, just get in touch with myself or fed.
Good luck!
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seany

Sounds a brilliant idea, hope to see your work soon

English_Pride

I'm just on working out who should go into what division for my 6 Nations DB.

It looks like the Divisions from Premier to Blue Square South will just mainy consist of teams from the top 2 tiers of the 6 league systems.

One thing that is bugging me is how will I sort out Regional Leagues under the Blue Square and it's regional feeders, does it matter how I sort this out or not.

Once i've put my league lists together I'll post them up here for your opinions and ideas on changes I could make

Fedorico Roma Fan

brilliants idea mate, hope to see this up and running in the near future!

btw who would be classed as the top 4 in Italy? Roma,AC milan, Inter and who? would it be last seasons 4th place finisher?

Bozza

World class idea mate. It sounds like a lot of work but the best ideas are a lot of work. I think you should take your time with this project. Do a lot of testing. Not only when you're all done but do a lot of testing every couple of teams. If something doesn't work, at least you know where the problem might be.


I would either do last seasons top 4 finishers in the league or 4 clubs with the biggest reputation. If you choose for the last option, at least you know you've got the biggest teams in it.. the teams with the best history.


Good luck with this project mate. Keep us posted and if you need any help just ask ;-).

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seany

Maybe you should have top 2 from scotland,ireland and wales then you could have 3 from spain.

Fedorico Roma Fan

i agree, as wales/ireland aint exactly the best standard of league, and only celtic and rangers are big in scotland. it would be better to include some spanish teams :)

English_Pride

This is how I envision my league will look, under the Blue Square North/South, I will fill the Isthmian League, Northern Premier League and Southern League with Lower League Clubs from the countries I have based this update on.....

Well, this is the make up of the league I have thought of, I pass it over to you now for your opinions on my setup, have I got the setup right, is the mix right, is there anything else I should be taken into consideration, my first opinion on it, is the Premier League is potentially a strong league where the English, Italian and French teams will be there or there abouts at the top, possibly Rangers and Celtic as well, The Championship looks like a decent league, but under the Championship it starts to look lopsided, because going all the way down to the Conference, there is still some good English, Italian and French clubs in there, while the clubs from Scotland, Wales and Ireland get pretty weak around League 2, I had an idea of given the weakest clubs in these divisions an reputation based on the average in there division, might it be woth doing that, just to make the leagues that little bit more competitive, also to make the lower divisions stronger, I was possibly thinking about taking the highest Reputation subtracting from the lowest teams reputation and given the weaker teams the difference as there reputation, what are you guys thoughts on this, any feedback or ideas would be more than welcome

Fedorico Roma Fan

looks good so far mate, however the english and italian and frenchteams will dominate procedings in all the leagues i feel, thats why i feel there should be either spain or Germany instead. for example only 2 teams from scotland, ireland and wales so you can fit in 3 spanish or german sides?

and 1 more thing you dont have to change the nation of the teams for it to work i dont think, as otherwise all regens will be english no matter what team it is.

English_Pride

Thanks for the feedback Fed, I agree with the fact the English, French and Italians would dominate, as this is based around the 6 Nations Rugby Countries, I don't want to add too many more European Nations, as it would then be effectively another European Superleague, but I am now planning to add 4 Spanish teams in each division to make the league stronger, based on there positions last season, so I think it would look as follows


I noticed that your from Italy Fed, would you be able to advise on where the Italian teams should be, because apart from the top 2 divisions, I've mainly based it on teams I've mostly heard of, I'll update my list later on.

Also, another question I have is what kind of timescale should I be working on to get this completed, I will be testing it as I go along, testing it a division at a time, but I want to give myself some kind of deadline to get it done, how long on average does it take you guys to build your leagues. I will be making a start on the league at the Weekend, so up till then it is still all subject to change

Once again, thanks for your views

Fedorico Roma Fan

i'd say give yourself about a month to do this, as testing will need to be done, and then there is no rush, if i were you i wouldnt set a specific date of release however.

for the italian structure i would have this:

Premiership
1-4 Serie A

Championship
5-9 Serie A

League 1
10-14 Serie A

League 2
15-19 Serie A

Blue Square Premier
20th serie A - 3rd Serie B

Blue Square North
4-9 Serie B

Blue Square South
10-15 Serie B

When it comes to non-league i would carry on suite like this e.g. unibond leagues etc. have 16-18 in serie B then in the southern equivelant have 18-20. if you understand?

English_Pride

Another Change of Plan guys, I'm now basing my divisions on last seasons League Placings e.g

Man Utd
Chelsea
Liverpool
Arsenal
etc

the lower the placing, the lower division the team will be in(incl. Juventus), I was going to base it on reputation alone, but to make a bit more realistic to me, a team like Bolton and Reading finished 7th and 8th respectively in the Premier League, so I feel they deserve to play in my 2nd tier, and take much of the weakness, I've cut the Welsh and Irish Teams to 1 in each division and put 4 Spanish teams in each division, I'll be starting the work on the database in the next 2/3 days, so i'll make sure to keep you all updated on my progress and keep you updated on the tests I run, I'll post an updated League list shortly

English_Pride

I have finished my updated League System.

1 major change I decided on all together was to take out Ireland and Wales completely, they are just simply too weak, so in there place is Spain and Holland

It is purely based on league positions, that is why Juventus is so many divisions down, now for the Blue Squares feeder leagues, Unibond etc, I'm make them up of Teams from other European leagues e.g. Portugal, Germany and Russia, and probably a couple more Eastern European Nations, while the main base of the game is teams from Rugby Unions 6 Nations, Holland and Spain, as time goes on in the game it will be a league consisting of teams from Europes Rugby playing Nations

The name of the league will simply be the European Football League

it's competitions will be

European Premier League
European Championship(Championship)
European First League(League 1)
European Second League(League 2)
European Third League(Blue Square Premier)
European Northern League(Blue Square North)
European Southern League(Blue Square South)

With The Cups being Named

European Football League Cup(F.A Cup)
European Football League Shield(Carling Cup)
European Football Super Cup(Charity Shield)
European Football Challenge Shield(Johnstones Paint Trophy)
European Football League Vase(F.A Trophy)
European Football League Bowl(Setanta Shield)

The Feeders under European Northern/Southern League will be named as follows:-

European Northern Combination
European Southern Combination(Southern League)
European South-Eastern Alliance League(Isthmian League)

So there you go, that is my plan, I'm going to make some simple changes to my database later on, most probably something simple like the changing of the League and Competition names

So the Superleague now consists of England, Italy, Scotland, France, Spain and Holland

here is the line up for the league now:-

Premier League

1. Man Utd
2. Chelsea
3. Liverpool
4. Arsenal
5. Inter Milan
6. Roma
7. Lazio
8. AC Milan
9. Lyon
10. Marseille
11. Toulouse
12. Celtic
13. Rangers
14. Aberdeen
15. Real Madrid
16. Barcelona
17. Sevilla FC
18. Valencia CF
19. PSV Eindhoven
20. Ajax

Championship

1. Tottenham Hotspur
2. Everton
3. Bolton
4. Reading
5. Palermo
6. Fiorentina
7. Empoli
8. Atalanta
9. Rennes
10. Lens
11. Bordeaux
12. Sochaux
13. Hearts
14. Kilmarnock
15. Hibernian
16. Falkirk
17. Villareal
18. Zaragoza
19. Atletico Madrid
20. Recreativo de Huelva
21. AZ
22. Twente
23. Heerenveen
24. Roda JC

League 1

1. Portsmouth
2. Blackburn
3. Aston Villa
4. Middlesbrough
5. Sampdoria
6. Udinese
7. Livorno
8. Parma
9. Auxerre
10. Monaco
11. Lille
12. Saint-Etienne
13. Le Mans
14. Inverness CT
15. Dundee United
16. Motherwell
17. St Mirren
18. Getafe
19. Racing de Santander
20. RCD Mallorca
21. RCD Espanyol
22. Feyenoord
23. Groningen
24. Utrecht

League 2

1. Newcastle United
2. Manchester City
3. West Ham Utd
4. Fulham
5. Catania
6. Reggina
7. Siena
8. Cagliari
9. Nancy
10. Lorient
11. PSG
12. Nice
13. Dunfermline
14. Gretna
15. St Johnstone
16. Dundee
17. Deportivo de La Coruna
18. CD Osasuna
19. Levante UD
20. Betis
21. NEC
22. NAC Breda
23. Vitesse
24. Sparta Rotterdam

Blue Square Premier

1. Wigan
2. Sheffield United
3. Charlton Athletic
4. Watford
5. Torino
6. Chievo
7. Ascoli
8. Messina
9. Valenciennes
10. Troyes
11. Sedan
12. Nantes
13. Hamilton Academical
14. Clyde
15. Livingston
16. Partick
17. Athletic Bilbao
18. Celta de Vigo
19. Real Sociedad
20. Gimnastic de Tarragona
21. Heracles Almelo
22. Willem II
23. Excelsior
24. RKC Waalwijk

Blue Square North

1. Sunderland
2. Birmingham
3. Derby
4. West Brom
5. Wolverhampton Wanderers
6. Juventus
7. Napoli
8. Genoa
9. Piacenza
10. Rimini
11. FC Metz
12. SM Caen
13. RC Strasbourg
14. Queen of the South
15. Airdrie United
16. Ross County
17. Real Valladolid
18. UD Almeria
19. Real Murcia
20. Ciudad de Murcia
21. ADO Den Haag
22. De Graafschap

Blue Square South

1. Southampton
2. Preston North End
3. Stoke City
4. Sheffield Wednesday
5. Colchester United
6. Brescia
7. Bologna
8. Mantova
9. Lecce
10. AlbinoLeffe
11. Amiens SC
12. Grenoble Foot 38
13. Le Havre AC
14. Greenock Morton
15. Stirling Albion
16. Raith Rovers
17. Cadiz CF
18. Albacete Balompie
19. CD Tenerife
20. Xerez CD
21. VVV Venlo
22. RBC Roosendaal

evertonfan

right, before everyone starts having a go, (which they will) this is a personal opinion!

i dont think this idea is too good to be completly honest, as a european super league has already been done :|

thanks to James M for the sig, cheers buddy :D

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Fedorico Roma Fan

yeah true Efc, but its good to have a variety of databases, as the team layout will be different in this one to the one already uploaded on here.

NEIL

yea but someone made computer once and then someone else did, Change one think as honda say you never know where you may end up

English_Pride

Thanks for your opinions EFC, it's much appreciated, I respect everyones opinion

I will go ahead with it, I know Euro Superleagues have been done, this will be my first bash at customising the database, i'm challenging myself to see if I can achieve it and move onto better ideas for databases

JoeFriar

Bolton and Reading in The Championship?!!! :|
Newcastle and Man City should be way above them!

Credit to Apthered for the awesome sig.

adamjigey

joe aston villa should be higher as well shouldent they league1 for villa m8 sort it out english pride m8 lol

Big Thanks to Ru for a top sig cheers mate