Originally Posted by Hartynips

This whole situation has come about because of this society "Respect" issue and in the case of the fan stabbing the other guy, abuse of a cause.

I think some of the others (the older guys) will agree with me on this, that when we were younger, say back in late 90's kids actually taking weapons to each other was more or less unheard of. Nowadays the world seems to be full of it, Kids knifing or shooting each other over nothing, Hooligan football fans attacking each other for supporting a "Rival" club.

The estate I grew up on wasn't overly rough but it wasnt a safe haven for kids either. There were gang elements, I was in one. We would have an argument, fists would fly and an hour later veryone was best mates again having a kick around down at the rec. It was quite common to walk through another "Gangs" patch and be chased or suffer a beating! But when all was said and done It was relatively harmless to an extent, it may have escalated to school suspension or grounding for a month.

Nowadays there seems to have to be an element of "respect" Where has this come from? I'm not talking about the "respect" I was brought up on, and probs the older ones on here too will know what I mean. The respect I was taught was for your elders, for other people and their property, for animals, the law and so on. It seems to be an ethic that very few youngsters nowadays adhere to. Respect is now for the hardest kid on the block. Respect is taking out a supporter of a rival club. Respect over these issues in my and many others opinions is in fact utterly worthless.

People who enter a football ground soley to barrage abuse to the opposition fans, the opposing team and manager are nothing short of animals. People who stay around grounds to actually intend to fight opposing supporters are equally sub standard. People, (who have no personal connection to the club tragedy apart from supporting the same club) and causing trouble over it arent real fans. They have no "respect" for the one thing they should have in these instances.